Episode 2408 – On this Friday’s show Vinnie Tortorich speaks with Dr. Zoe Harcombe and they discuss diabetes and meat, poor research, a need for a bottom-up revolution, and more.
A Bottom-up Revolution
- Dr. Zoe Harcombe has been on the episode before, and Vinnie recalls a quote she had discussed. (2:00)
- People who had gone through bariatric surgery and who had lost weight would rather have almost any other affliction rather than be morbidly obese again.
- Vinnie asks Zoe about the claim that meat causes T2 diabetes. (9:00)
- The idea that meat, which humans have been eating for millennia is causing a modern-day disease (T2D) is absurd. (11:00)
- Harvard School of Public Health is consistently putting out misinformation based on survey studies.
- They chat about why they are so inaccurate.
- Vinnie talks about how some of his consults go. (20:00)
- He shares with Zoe how he came to make “Beyond Impossible”. (26:45)
- It was inspired by a deep dive into “reimagined” frankenfood products.
- He reached out to prominent vegan doctors to get their input, but he was refused by them.
- Dr. Harcombe reveals that she used to be vegetarian and understands why people do it. (31:00)
- She mentions the book by Lierre Keith, “The Vegetarian Myth”.
- Vinnie asks her about her experience being vegetarian and vegan. (33:30)
- She realized that the health problems she was having were prompted by a lack of animal products in her diet.
What Is the Endgame?
- Vinnie asks what is the endgame for doctors like Walter Willet and others. (48:45)
- Zoe discusses the importance of ruminants and topsoil in the food supply.
- If we continue on the path of veganism, we will destroy the planet’s ability to grow crops naturally.
- Vinnie asks Zoe what is next in her research. (55:20)
- She clarifies the recent research claim that red meat causes diabetes.
- People like Walter Willet most likely send such studies for peer review to those who are most likely to agree with him. (1:01:00)
- She’s written to Walter Willet personally and he refused to answer her questions.
- Vinnie asks if he and others’ attempts to spread reliable health knowledge are futile. (1:06:00)
- Dr. Harcombe says there needs to be a bottom-up revolution of getting knowledge out.
- He also worries about how meat is being made more expensive and some people have to resort to cheap foods like pasta and rice to feed their families. (1:10:00)
- They both give suggestions regarding affordable meat options.
- Vinnie shares an update to his website that you’ll want to check out: a VIP section! Go to vinnietororich.com/VIP for more information.
You can find Dr. Zoe Harcombe at zoeharcombe.com and books in Vinnie’s Book Club.
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