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: Episode 845 – Vinnie and Anna go ballistic over the Netflix movie What The Health from Joaquin Phoenix and how everything the movie stands for is pure lies and will lead to the cancer and diabetes it claims to prevent!
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WHAT THE HEALTH
- This is a new Netflix documentary
- However, when it comes down to it, it is full BS
- This documentary is all about how meat and the like is bad for you
- The science does NOT BACK IT UP
- They only chose studies that work for them
- The science does NOT BACK IT UP
- Eggs, meat not bad for you
- Crazy to think otherwise
- Frustrating that celebrities are pushing out this false information as well
- Eating meat and high fat has proven to be good for so many people
- Check out the FB group for example
- Helps blood pressure, cholesterol, etc.
- Veganism is not a healthy way to live
- What this movie preaches is hypocritical
- Their suggestions on how to live will make many sick
Well look, this documentary was confusing, I think, at worst. Yeah, I thought they either stood upon health information from the Reagan years or else, basically lied to our faces.
I understand that they have an agenda to spread the word about humanity to animals and that’s very cool. What is not cool, is that they could be intellectually dishonest about it.
Now, that stuff about the CAFO’s and where many pathogens originate, it’s very true, not to mention the residential and ecological impact of such operations. However, I also noticed that nary a word about “organic,” “pasture raised” or “grass fed,” were uttered.
It certainly made an impact upon me, but I believe that my current Paleo devotion will carry the day for me long into my sunset years.
Wow. This movie promotes a lot of misinformation given us by An Oceanographer that specialize in eels, named Ancel Keys back in the 1950s and 1960s, put out a LOT of misleading, even dishonest, public statements. Ever since then, scientist have been trying to prove that eating animal fat causes disease. So far, they have only been able to prove that rabbits that are force fed animal fat, get heart disease. Obviously, the reason the guy at the diabetes association wouldn’t talk about it was because the idiot was interview him was obviously brain washed by that old, nonsense Ancel Keys started. Keys studies never included a diet composed of actual foods rich in saturated fat, instead he used trans fats.
If it’s nonsense, then why was I finally able to reverse my pre-diabetes and lose 40 lbs after switching to a whole food, plant-based diet? Why was my father able to cut his blood pressure medication in half? Don’t knock it until you try it. The only ones giving us misinformation are the industries standing to take losses from people eating healthier and preventing and reversing chronic diseases. Wake up.
Thank you.
Thanks for posting this . I dropped my A1c I am a type 1 diabetic 2 whole points from a 8 to a 6 that isbtge lowest I have gotten it in years
My question during was…so what the hell CAN you eat?!? Garbage documentary.
This was the same question I had… how can I eat around this and avoid these things? Can I eat naturally grown/ local farm veggies/ local meats?
You must have accidentally watched Ace Ventura Pet Detective. The film is called ‘What The Health’.
See the thing is, everyone wants to debate which food is causing sickness. Its all the meat or no its all the sugar or no its fat, no its carbs…etc etc. I think, it isn’t just one thing. It is a combination of many things.It’s not ‘eating meat that is making people sick. It is eating processed meats that have added chemicals to them…and over consuming these meats.Meat doesn’t need to be eaten every day at every meal…but 3 or 4 nights a week should be plenty. Add in more vegetarian meals in between and fill your plates with whole foods that aren’t processed or filled with sugar and salt and harmful chemicals like a good ole american hamburger helper dinner. Eat more fruits and veggies. Stop filling your diet with 90% foods that require a mile long ingredient label that you can’t understand. Move more. Stop relying on pharmaceuticals and doctors every time you have an ailment and you run to the drug store. Take charge of your own health and be educated. You know your body better than anyone else. It needn’t be this complicated.
Well said……. I agree.
AMEN…
the key word in all this is “processed”…
plus…
if we follow the foods laws in the King James Bible…(Leviticus Chapter 11)…it tells the foods we Shall & Shall NOT eat of the Land, Air & Water…
But the one question that was ask in the movie that got ME to quit eating meat…Gorilla’s eat plants and are one of the strongest animals on earth…
i been on this journey for 6 days so far and i have lost 5 lbs WITHOUT even trying…
So once again…WHAT man & science does to the food is KILLING US!…
Blessings…
You should try No Sugar No Grains instead of veganism. Works just as well without endangering your long-term health.
By the way, in the New Testament, King James or any other translation, God abolished the Levitical dietary restrictions in Acts 10:15, so your point is invalid. “And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.”
PLEASE don’t try to take parts of scripture out of context to make your dietary point.
Newsflash: humans are NOT gorillas. Our digestive system is different.
I love the Bible and I like how you replied with another scripture. Good to know there are some that love and actually read this divine book. It is indeed scientific.
The Levitical laws about what we should not eat have not been abolished. You need to understand what you are reading before you scold someone and on top of it the dietary laws were given to the Israelites only. So unless you are a decedent of one of the 12 Tribes you can eat what you want. The laws weren’t given to anyone else.
In reply to Liora: In part you are correct, but you’re not taking my comments in context with The Herb Lady’s comments. The Levitical dietary laws HAVE been abolished for Christians. The Herb Lady is clearly NOT Jewish because she is quoting from the King James Bible (Christian) and including herself (and everybody) in her statement that we should follow the Levitical dietary laws.
I am a gentile (non-Jewish) and a follower of Jesus’ teachings, so the Levitical dietary laws don’t apply to me anyway. However, as a follower of Jesus, if I was a direct descendant of the 12 tribes of Israel, the Levitical dietary restrictions still would not apply to me. “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.” – Galatians 3:28, KJV. So since all Christians are the same, then the dietary restrictions do not apply for the Jewish follower of Jesus either (yes there is such a thing as Jewish followers of Jesus).
Obviously, if someone is Jewish and not a follower of Jesus, then the Levitical laws still apply, depending on their level of orthodoxy.
I hope this makes sense. So, I do understand exactly what I’m reading and my scolding is quite accurate. I don’t want fellow Christians using scripture inaccurately to impose religious restrictions on people.
nicely said, thanks
Anyone to truly believes meat and dairy is not bad for humans or the planet is very very ingnoant or just plain stupid. Even if you don’t think it’s going to cause you health problems down the road, which it most certainly will, animal agricultural is the epitome of cruelty and destruction to the planet. Anyone who argues this is just making excuses because they don’t want to give up the taste of animal products!! Eating animals is unhealthy and just plain selfish at the very least! Slaughter houses are death camps equal to those in Nazi Germany! This move is a god send and I know it’s waking a lot of people up! Hopefully the rest of you sheep in the matrix will wake up too before you get your heart disease, cancer and obesity sentences. I am so glad I’m not living in your low vibration world, these are some of the dumbest and uneducated comments I’ve ever read.
I absolutely agree with you, after watching this how could you even want to consume any of the meats mentioned.
You are the problem with society. How could you say that we meat eaters are destroying the planet? Eating only our plants takes away from the production of our oxygen. This process is called photosynthesis if you didn’t know look it up. Might as well not eat anything because you will kill the planet either way.
Oh my god.. i can’t help but laugh while reading your comment. You want to talk about oxygen levels? Okay fine. How much Co2 is released into the air due to the meat industry? If you don’t know, “look it up.” You are arguing that plants should not be eaten at all. I mean ???? seriously?? The pollution caused from the meat / dairy industry is so high. Well over the pollution that people are actually informed to care about (Cars, leaving lights on, take shorter showers.. etc.) . By being vegan you are not only saving yourself but the planet. I’m sorry to be the one to inform you of this but you need to do your research before commenting something as irrelevant as photosynthesis. So before you start pointing fingers about who is the “problem with society”, do your research and learn something. Because clearly from this comment, it is you who is the problem. Have a good day :)
Amanda, you may consider reading Lierre Kieth’s book The Vegetarian Myth: Food, Justice, and Sustainability which specifically addresses the sustainability issue. Her research findings may surprise you.
And all the natural habitat destroyed for farms and more dams? What about that land that is killing the very place that wild animals live? More vegans means more farms and less space for the animals that are in existence right now to live. You have a choice balance of both or neither. We are meant for balance just like everything else in the universe. Without it chaos ensues. That cannot exists at the same time as the ordered logic necessary to allow our race to exist. The best diet a person could have would be a variety of plants fruits starches and meats. Nothing in excess all in healthy ways.
Man kind could treat animals better and still eat them, but that is not what really is the basis for this. The basis is we are killing ourselves eating meat and that is boldly a lie.
The only legitimate documentaries in the world include views of both sides and evidence of both if it exists (and it does) and then lets the viewer or reader draw their own conclusion and take or not take action.
This does not meet that criteria.
Good point….
Most of the oxygen being produced on earth comes from plankton in the oceans. A good chunk of oxygen also comes from rain forest which is been destroyed as we speak to feed cattle. I do love the taste of meat but we are indeed destroying ourselves and the world because our greed. Do research before speaking mamma-says facts.
I agree with you. It is what they are doing to our food that is making us sick.
It’s hard for me to believe that some of these comments are not fabricated. They are much too far over the top.
They’re definitely not fabricated by us. You should see the comments I don’t approve lol.
I say study the eating habits of centuririans. I’ve watched a couple of documentaries on centuririans and I’ve never heard anyone say they are vegetarian.
That’s funny how we all take something different from that show. What I got from it was the processing of the meat is what is making it bad for us…not the meat alone. The industry is so greedy and the demand is so high that the processing is getting careless. The animals are so crowded that feces and disease are getting passed on to us. If I could have my own farm and process my own meat, I would have no problem eating it. But I am no longer interested in meat treated and handled in this way. It doesn’t hurt anyone to give it a try if they think it might make them feel better. Your not going to die just because you don’t eat meat. You can get all the nutrition you need from a vegan or vegetarian diet. If you can’t live without meat, eat it. But don’t tell me I’m not healthy unless I eat meat.
Here here! Thank you for saying that so well.
You said exactly what I was thinking. I think the people who don’t agree with veganism should read The China Study which is written by a Nutritional Biochemist by the name of Dr. Colin Campbell who is touted as a very respected Professor.
The China Study is a myth. He fed pure casein to rats. When you eat meat, you’re not eating pure casein. (And also, the ones that didn’t get cancer died from malnutrition.) Then he took a bunch of studies from china and cherry picked data from it. Nobody else analyzing the data found what he found. If you look up China Study Myth you can find more details.
Yes I agree with that part. It’s just when a person turns “vegan” just because of a misleading documentary. I can understand when they go vegan of how animals are treated. But having misinformed Info makes them ignorant.
Well said Denise
So we just met up with some local farmers who as a RULE–pasture raise their livestock 100% finished with grass/hay and humanely treated, hormone/antibiotic -free. Works for us.
“Finished” with grass and hay. Sounds like the chef is at the factory. All that means is the animals had a ‘Last Meal’ – ending their life by eating, for the first time, what they should have been enjoying their whole life
those animals only exsist to be eaten.. they breed em so we can slaughter and eat them perioud. should they be denied life altogether?? humans only started growing big brains from eating meat..if our caveman relatives were vegans we’d all be swinging from tree’s foolishly.. should we kill spiders cuz they eat bugs , no its nature.. now toughen up and eat a burger,or dont, but please dont gimme that poor animals bullshit..
These “cavemen” you speak of thrived mostly off of the fruits and vegetables that had been gathered by the others. Gatherers fed everyone more then the hunters could.
Sir…
it’s the “chemicals” that MAN & science has injected into the foods that make it UNnatural to consume Thus diseases are form…
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BRAVO!!! Well said. I agree – I would eat meat (in VERY small amounts)….maybe. But, the meat that we have today is killing us and the cattle industry (greenhouse gasses) is killing our planet. GREED GREED GREED
Very well said!
Great response
I agree 100% . People are going to make their own choices about what they put in their mouths…however plant based diets do reverse disease. I am living proof. If you really study other countries their diets do not consist of large portions of meats. And some will never accept imported meat from the USA. Greed and massive production have caused carelessness in the how our meat and poultry is handled and that’s the reason behind people getting sick!
First one to make since,the ones against it are the one’s that don’t know better,or they are the one’s that make money from it,so of coar de they gonna say the stuff is not true,all about that money that’s why so many donate money to the government to keep there mouth shut,all about the money.
See everyone on here got there opinions,how many of you are scientists or Doctor’s.
Totally agree. People get so defensive when they hear something that contradicts their lifestyle. I’ve consume my fair share of meat and diary and ended up obesed. Went vegetarian and lost 80 pounds. Meatless diets are very sustainable and are not bad at all! One of the best decision I’ve ever made.
The documentary, along with Dr John McDougal’s research has sparked my interest. I’m giving the vegan lifestyle a 90 day test, then will look at the results. I’m on day 9, with excellent results so far. May not work for all, but it’s working for me so far. Time will tell.
I agree with your take aways.
Exactly how I feel! Well said.
^5! i appreciated the information, which made sense and explained a lot! i’ve often wondered about the increasing rate of disease and illness. it also explained why every commercial break is littered with pharmaceutical ads!
this documentary has motivated to do more research, especially regarding the organizations to which i donate, who are allegedly accepting donations from companies whose products contribute to the very illnesses they support.
at minimum, i am more motivated to take a closer look at the food i consume and purchase for my family.
I say it’s what works best for you and your body. Everything in moderation.
I eat hardly no beef, very little port, some poultry, some fish. Lots of veggies and fruits, and low carbs and sugar. I eat what works best for me.
Sorry. No processed foods…
Thank you! I was screaming at my tv when I watched this. So wrong and misleading
Ok, I honestly was confused about “what the health” because it was against a lot that I believed to be true. Except the part about processed meat of course. But which studies did you read to get to this conclusion? I’d like to read them so I can make up my own mind and see what methodology they use. So if you can provide links, that would be great.
I turned it off halfway through. They had my attention although I believed it to be bullshit from the get go. They completely lost me at “breastmilk is basically poison for your baby”. I hope the creators choke on a strip of bacon.
Except they didn’t say that – they didn’t say anything close to that. They just said that whatever the mother consumes is transferred to her breast milk which is common knowledge. So if the mother is consuming carcinogens, antibiotic laced meat, hormone laced meat, etc., then she is passing it on to her baby when she nurses. You should watch it again and pay closer attention. It’s worth having an open mind.
What is the alternative thought? Stop eating meat so your milk supply could decrease or give formula? Seriously, breastmilk, no matter what the mother eats, is the best thing for a baby. This has been proven time and time again. The amount actually being passed on in the breastmilk is probably so small that it doesn’t make much of a difference. For a movie to say that a mother could be harming her child because she eats meat and breastfeeds is just awful and , in my opinion, bordering unethical.
Don’t let this hide the fact that people are consuming dye, asulfame and aspartame
Right. Just like ‘a tiny bit of crack’ or ‘than ten cigarettes a day’ is “probably so small that it doesn’t make much difference”
What was your mom smoking when she was pregnant with you?
Actually, Paleo Vegan is completely right. They did say and illustrate with a powerful image a baby in uterine being poisoned by her non-vegan mother. Followed by another image of a breastfeeding mother with a sound bite about how everything mother injests goes straight to baby. That is factually incorrect. Though VERY FEW studies exist because rational people would not allow their tiny offspring to participate in a study potentially exposing them to toxins. The existing literature suggests that very few chemical compounds can get through the milk. What we do not need is another message undermining womens’ decision to breastfeed. The authors don’t offer an alternative. There is not one. Human milk cannot be duplicated and all available substitutes cause far more known risks than any theoretical risk from a non-vegan mother who chooses to breastfeed. Thank you Ann M. And Paleo Vegan for your voice of reason.
That’s not what they said about breastmilk, just the opposite. Did you watch this movie with the sound off and your eyes closed?
I did too; however, I forced myself to watch in its entirety so I can legitimately research further. There are some real pearls and some real controversial concepts worth digging into.
What evidence are you using to suggest veganism is an unhealthy..there are numerous studies that show it is corollated with disease prevention and equal or slightly better longevity..the adventist health study 1 and 2 for example
I concur. Vinnies rant proved that he can get angry, but he has yet to offer any solid research, much less clinical studies to rebute the arguements presented in What’s the Health. I would take him more seriously if he could calm down long enough to watch the entire film before criticizing it. Of course, he will probably never even take the time read this message — how can I expect him to watch a 90 minute documentary.
Julia, Sorry but that’s where you’re wrong. I did watch the film the next day and then did a 90 minute podcast with diabetes specialist Nicole Recine, who also watched the whole film. That podcast will be up this Friday. There are countless studies that will debunk a lot of what was talked about in this movie. They were claiming that alcohol (poison) & sugar were not bad for you. Do we really need a study to debunk this? Read any of Gary Taubes books on the subject where study after study will debunk what they are saying in this movie. When he went to the ADA with studies in hand, they were cherry picked studies that were inconclusive. Those studies were also conducted by Dr. Barnard who has a bias from the get go. I could go on, but you get the point. Please tune in Friday to learn more.
There are countless studies that show a vegan, or more importantly, a whole food plant based diet, is a healthy diet for any age (save for newborns who are breastfeeding). A “vegan” diet full of processed shit is terrible for you. But one that incorporated whole foods is undeniably healthy.
My aunt passed away of Ovarian Cancer last August. She was a vegan living in Santa Monica and extremely active with PETA. I think this entire documentary is bologna.
To suggest that sugar doesn’t cause diabetes and dosent have a role to play with weight gain is BS. I quit prossesed sugar for 5 month and lost 3 stone!! I wouldn’t be surprised if this documentary was funded by the Coca Cola company.
I think everyone missed something. I think we all have the same goals in common: better health, better eco system, civil rights, and more humane practices of animals.
These agencies are meant to HELP us; HOWEVER, they are taking extreme amounts of money to keep us sick consumers for longer.
You are 1,000% correct!
Totally agree! People have been eating meat, eggs and drinking milk for millions of years. In moderation it isn’t harmful.
Millions of years eh?
I will say this… I haven’t seen this, but knew right off rip that these people have an agenda to push.
Red meat isn’t great for your health. But chicken and turkey are bad for you? C’mon.
Instead of staving off whole groups of food, why not preach more moderation instead?
Processed meat is bad… but good luck hunting and processing your own these days.
Cow’s milk is not meant for human consumption. I’ve known about that long before these people came out with their ‘studies’.
My boss watched this film… he’s overly obsessed about it. He’s been ‘vegan’ for 5 days and already claiming he feels so much better.
Placebos work on the weakest of minds.
These films are placebos with agendas.
And what is the agenda there? Who sponsored the movie, National Corn Organization? What is the harm of being vegan, come on people!
SUGAR is not harmful to you?!!! That is a lie. Sugar leads to diabetes and everyone knows that.
Processeses sugar is moron. Not natural sugar like the ones found in fruit. Like you.
why so rude and mean? everyone is entitled to express their opinions, freedom of speech and to draw there own conclusions based on their own research. People like you should be removed from society
The fact that Dr. Ratner doesn’t differentiate between Type 1 and Type 2 Diabetes in the first line of the first scene of “What the Health” instantly insinuates that this film is an unreliable source. Type 1 Diabetes is an autoimmune disease. It affects 5-10% of the diabetic population, regardless of diet, lifestyle, and age, and there is no known cause or cure for it. Type 2 Diabetes occurs when the insulin in the bloodstream doesn’t work as efficiently, which elevates blood sugar, though most Type 2’s still produce insulin, unlike Type 1’s whose insulin producing cells have been destroyed. High sugar intake could very well be a contributing factor to Type 2, in relation with other physical and environmental factors, though sugar doesn’t sum up all of those factors. Then there is Gestational Diabetes–elevated blood glucose in pregnant women, which is dangerous for the woman and her unborn child.
I get frustrated when the word “diabetes” is thrown around all willy nilly because there are a plethora of misconceptions about these different diseases, which aren’t helping find a cure for Type 1, or prevent Type 2.
See Dr. McDougal’s research on this.
I’m just curious, if cows eat grass that’s polluted from the air and poisons the meat we eat…how are the vegetables that grow in the same polluted dirt not just as full of poisons?
This was my biggest question throughout the entire movie also!! Animals store toxins gained from eating contaminated plants… why wouldn’t humans store toxins eating plants also???
I highly recommend reading The Omnivore’s Dilemma by MIchael Pollan or watching his PBS doc In Defense of Food. Some great non-bias info on how what we eat (and what our food eats) effects us.
I don’t think that the animals intended for slaughter are being fed the food/ grains that we eat, so that is wrong. Yes meat has existed in human diets, and going vegan, isn’t going to stop the cruel and inhumane ways these animals are produced. One of the problems is that the greedy companies don’t want to raise animals in better conditions, or feed them the grains that are whole and beneficial, that would cost too much. These companies, with lobbyist friends in congress, are looking at the bottom line, and lives don’t count more than their end profits.
It does make sense that the cycle is in place to feed the masses contaminated products, and the FDA does little about it, because it is designed to make people sick, and trying to heal them with doctors, surgeries, and medications is all more profitable than to eat a healthy chicken or cow, and drink milk without the toxins.
I would think with the rise of technology there are many many ways today, where the manufactures could improve on how these animals are treated and the environment that is effected. It’s a vicious cycle, and vegan or not, not anyone can do much about it because its not a lifestyle for the working class, that is why its so expensive to buy organics. Unless people boycott the product into stopping production all together, maybe then, but what of the billions of buckets of blood that has already been put on the shelves? Are they to be left to rot??? Hard Call
What’s not being addressed is that eating meat, or ant animal product, is not sustainable. The planet is dying before our eyes. People are starving to death around the world because all the grain is grown to feed livestock. If we could cut down on meat consumption, there would be enough food to feed everyone. The rain forest (our planet’s lungs”) is being destroyed so cattle can be raised. Time to open our eyes and see what our children will suffer in the future.
You may want to read Lierre Kieth’s book The Vegetarian Myth: Food, Justice, and Sustainability which specifically addresses the sustainability issue. Her research findings may surprise you.
Wow.. Cows can not wash the grass they eat, while people can wash the fruits&veggies. Also keeping them in vinegar sprinkled water for 10 minutes is recommended.
You must grow all your own veggies and beans and such to avoid tainted food I suppose…
But don’t get your garden to big, or share with neighbors, the gov’t will shut that down quick I’m sure lol
That’s exactly what I said. Also, towards the end the question was “what can you get from meat that you can’t get from plants”? The good Dr. said e-coli. REALLY? Has he not heard about the contaminated vegetables? Taylor Farms I think it was.
Animals eat tons of poluted gras and acumulate all the poison. If you would eat a ton of grass you would die as well
That’s not the cows are eating…watch again
Turned this doc off after 5 minutes. As soon as he started spouting off about “processed meats” while showing images on un-processed meats and other thing that are not classified as in the study he lost all credibility. Very divisive in his intentions.
This is complete B.S. I switched to a paleo diet, no carbs or sugar, eat meats,eggs,bacon ,fat,and veggies lost 30 pounds in a month and dropped my blood sugar by 120 points. Kip is on an agenda and it is completely one sided and without facts
He never said sugar is HEALTHY, but that processed meat and animal products have a higher % of actually causing those conditions. Yea of course it makes sense that vegetable crops are full of toxins also, but the thing is plants like all living organisms have a tendency to try their best to survive, and since they cant run a plant can protect itself in different ways as prevention from toxins entering the insides, thats why its recommended to soak veggies in baking soda before using them, to remove all the shit that builds up on the surface. Animals on the other hand just eat the polluted foods and then store the toxins in their tissue.
Agree, so hard to tease out the real message because we all have different lens through which we watched. Also, filming techniques that actually create doubt were used. I wish the whole stories were presented
and summarized occasionally without the dramatics i.e. calls to “operators” at national orgs.
You cant just call something bullshit because it doesn’t agree with your beliefs. I’m not saying the documentary is perfect, but there are some facts that you just can’t deny. Like the fact that they don’t want people to get better and they don’t want people to know how to prevent a condition, only how to buy their meds to sustain it until they drop dead 5,20 or 50 years after. I mean cmon….time to take off those rose tinted glasses.
yeah I find it interesting no one is making any mention about who funds the studies that say that eggs and meat are good your heart. Some of you people get so offended when the health of meat is questioned. I get it, it tastes good but come on, you really think that a more green diet can be anything but beneficial for your? What is this guys agenda? Who’s lining his pockets? He gets paid from netflix sure, but the cattle industry, poultry etc. pays entities like ADA to project misinformation that much is true.
If you prefer meat, and it works for you….eat away.
I eat at least 3 eggs and near 250 grams of protein from chicken and turkey. I do eat a lot of fresh vegetables too but I workout everyday and the last time I visited my doctor, all of my blood work came back phenomenal! I’m 32 and come from a family of hardcore smokers and generally unhealthy diets. I’ve never felt better and healthier in my life and it’s because I’m consuming basically the opposite of what that documentary said to consume. Yea, anything processed isn’t the best for you, sugars and meats combined. This is just a vegan propaganda film. Some good information but distorted to achieve their agenda in stopping us from eating animal products.
They never said sugar was healthy………
I eat in a keto conscious manner (high fat, moderate protein, low carbs) and actually fell asleep before finishing this movie (I can’t call it a documentary for obvious reasons).
What turned me off was when they said a vegan diet doesn’t lack anything the human body needs.
WRONG!
Your body MUST have vitamin B12, which only comes from animal sources.
They followed up that sentence with saying except vitamin B12 and then talked about taking suppliments.
Maybe next time you should watch the whole movie before you comment. That way you’d sound like less of an idiot. If that’s possible.
can someone ban this guy? He clearly is miserable in his life
Or you can take a B12 supplement.
What this all boils down to is most of us are uninformed. For what ever reason food education has become unimportant to the majority of the world. We tend to base food on flavor not what’s in it. This is where we are trapped because the food that is bad for us has made us lazy weak and less intelligent. So corporations have us right were they want us without even having to know us. The perfect plan to make more money. I hope this inspires anyone to break free of the cycle and change there life.
I’ve watched the whole documentary, I have asked family to watch it. I have a mix of different diets in my relatives…some vegan, some full-on red meat lovers….if we listen to our bodies and try these methods, I believe we can come to an area of knowledge witout thinking about agendas. I appreciated the film and I think the last 1/2 30-40 minutes are the best part..,after you get past the gruesome graphic scenes of the animals in the plants… Our bodies are designed to eat plants…there is no denying that. Grow your own gardens, raise your own chickens, turkeys, etc…we all know that greed/money does seem to run /control a huge number of decisions made in this country…. The China study already taught us that dairy should not be more than 5% daily. Forks over knives….look at our teeth!
I love cheese and red meat…but I don’t feel well after I eat it since cutting back a few years ago…I’m listening to my body and looking at my blood results…awareness helps!
You should really look at the scientific papers, and I am not vegan, it is very well documented scientifically the link between red meat and processed meat and colorrectal cancer, so just be informed.
Let’s please avoid name-calling and ridiculing anyone commenting here. This comments section is intended for civil discourse and ALL viewpoints are welcome. Disagreement and discussion is encouraged. However, let’s not ridicule or put down other commenters. That’s neither helpful or informative. Thanks!
Do whatever works for you, but you don’t need to preach at others like its the law of gravity. The only way to do that is to get your information from all sides and try different diets. Some diets work great in the short term but are not healthy long term. Just make changes as necessary.
If you jump on someone else’s bandwagon and push their agenda like your life depends on it then you may find yourself eating crow later on.
Speaking from experience here.
Not even going to say what I believe because it doesn’t matter to anyone else but me. If someone asks me why I’m so healthy at 51 then I tell them. They can either take it or leave it, that’s their choice.
On a recent 9-day cruise (my first), I couldn’t help noticing what others were eating and the correlation to their body shape. It was obvious to me the cruise company had researched what people like to eat. It was noticeable that larger bodies were in line for:
breakfast – bacon, eggs and sausages
lunch – burger and fries
dinner – steak and (more) fries
While the slim/normal bodies were in line for cereal, fruit, salads, veg etc.
Then what struck me further was that during our sit down dinners the other (large) guests eat their steaks and fries but left the green beans, broccoli etc. I had to shake my head in disbelief. But it all makes sense.
Oh, for fuck’s sake get on with the fucking review!!! Listening to you fucks ramble off on every possible tangent is excruciating!
Make sure you listen to Episode 847 for a more detailed critique of the documentary.
I gained weight and feel terrible while consuming carbs and sugar. I lost the weight and feel much better following the keto diet which consist of high fat low carbs moderate protien and plenty of vegetables…. so I have one question. Is the moose and couple white tailed deer that I legally killed last fall and taste so good safe to eat or is that also on the not healthy agenda? They do eat that aweful polluted browse from the forest.
I did a podcast with a registered dietitian about the seriousness and falsities of this irresponsible doc. Check it out at American Movie Podcast itunes and youtube. Search What the health American Movie Podcast
Reading Vinnie’s comments to say “Eating meat and high fat has proven to be good for so many people and Veganism is not a healthy way to live” shows how he just drafts a statement without any studies backing it, similar to what Vinnie accused the documentary did as well.
I was an avid meat eater (Strict Paleo) and a crossfitter for past 3 years. With all the workout and paleo diet, my cholesterol and blood sugar levels were only elevated and I was borderline diabetic and was put on a cholesterol medication. I started plant based diet like 6 months ago and when I checked my cholesterol like two days ago, Im back into the normal range. Forget about studies conducted by others, I, myself am a study and a I was convinced.
During my recent visit to India, I came across the book on Ayurveda, written like 2000 years ago, which is still practiced as an alternative to modern medicine. Plants and herbs can cure your body to natural state that no meat can do in an eternity.
So Vinnie, you need to broaden your mind and reach to these ancient cultures that promoted these healthy eating and living for centuries. You might just gain some wisdom and thats the only downside of it.
Did you know that Ayurveda prescribes a soup made from week-old baby chicks for certain conditions? That beef is prescribed for certain conditions? I’m from India, and I suggest you get some depth on a topic before you make any claims on it.
Couldn’t agree more with your last statement. As per usual, everyone with a YouTube/Wikipedia degree has something to say. If you can understand the academic jargon in the actual scientific papers and experiments used as references in the documentary (90% of them were based on inconclusive results by the way), and you can understand the underlying biochemistry and physiology, than you can consider yourself educated enough to make an informed decision about the merits of this documentary. As a biochemist and a med school student I urge everyone to speak to your doctor before making drastic lifestyle choices. Please don’t watch a documentary like this and do a little internet research, and consider yourself educated. Go see a normal doctor (not a plant based diet doctor) and get some real advice.
what was truly ridiculous in this documentary was these so called “doctors” claiming that carbohydrates don’t contribute to gaining fat?? Also carbs, sugar don’t have an effect on diabetes?? They claim a doctor back in the 40s treated diabetics and heart disease patients with just fruit and table sugar. That’s insane. I’m type II diabetic and with my doctor’s guidance increased my protein and lowered my carb consumption. The result? weight loss, A1C down, cholesterol DOWN, blood pressure lowered, resting heart rate lowered. Focusing on meat and non-starchy vegetables is what did that. My diabetes meds have been cut in half and my doctor says I’m not “pre” diabetic.
The part of the documentary that really chapped my ass was the dioxin portion. They say even organic meat is still fed grain from vegetables laden with dioxins. They say this because the air’s pollution carries these dioxins to fields where feed is harvested, no where is safe. So if that is the logic, wouldn’t a plant based diet still have these same dioxins? They didn’t mention anything about it.
Watching this show changed me. It’s the way the animals are treated and tainted that makes me want to eat a more plant based diet.
I was Palio and had an extended blood panel done, which is expensive. ($2000+). Great numbers for cholesterol… but with more detail blood work, you could see cholesterol is not the only thing that can put you at risk for heart disease.
Ex: partical # of LDL, how alkaline is your body, how much iron are you storing, etc….
It’s all in your blood work results. Adjusting your diet accordingly is simply great prevention.
****that should say….heart disease/cancer
I have not watched the video but I have a few friends who have started the vegan lifestyle since watching it a few weeks ago. One in particular (who by the way is not overweight) was diagnosed with an immune deficiency in her 20s. She was up to 7 meds and within 7 weeks time she is down to 3. I can only go by her testimony and for me, I was sold. Considering vegan life myself. I’m hoping to get my husband on board so he can get off high blood pressure meds.
Where is this guys proof and evidence that this is incorrect? How can you sit there and write a few words just saying it’s in correct and not back it up? Your not proving a point at all. You sound like a headstrong
man who is pissed off at the movie.
Make sure you listen to Episode 847 for a more detailed critique of the documentary.
Wow really appreciate the comments guys. I have friends who have watched the documentary and they have told me some horrific thing about it. I know there’s truth but when people sensationalize it makes me question who puts out the facts and how much is manipulated. Obviously we don’t eat enough of what we need and too much of what we don’t need. But I don’t know if I’m going to go crazy like everyone else.
I’d love someone to throw me some studies saying the opposite or some actual facts instead of all your opinions about how this is BS. I will say I do think organic is still an ok move given the argument on dioxins in the air is fairly weak. But outside of that…give me some facts people or stop bitching.
I just watched most of it, and what caught my attention is the hog farms in NC. I lived near one 50 years ago in Va. Beach. The smell was bad. However, I was not aware of any recirculating water on crops. I am sure this is a new concept. I intend to check on this, but I do believe the cancer rate, and asthma in the neighborhood is high. If this is true this should stopped. I am not a fan of the EPA, but I would like to read their side of the issue. It may have brought out in the documentary, but his voice put me to sleep. I need to watch again, and do some checking. I don’t believe it all, but a lot if it I do.
Sorry but when heart surgeons speak they are people I listen to regarding my health. After 5 months purely plant based, every single lipid profile number has moved significantly in the right direction, dropped 32 pounds, cleared skin, sleeping better and more energy than when I was a teenager. Dispute whatever you want but proof is proof.
Are you people criticising this documentary seriously claiming to know more about health than a bunch of professionals who deal with these issues first hand on on a day to day basis?
I know it is an incredibly hard truth to swallow, but before judging, look at the information critically, and ask yourself who stands to gain what from what they are saying.
We all now accept that when the guy in the electronics shop encourages you to buy a certain tv, it’s not because it’s the best for you, but because he’ll receive the highest commission for it. Unfortunately the same is true with our food and health.
You may want to tune in to this Friday’s podcast with author, researcher and journalist Nina Teicholz (Episode 869). She looks at the studies in detail and explains scientifically why this documentary is mostly scaremongering and little actual science.
I am convinced this movie is true to its words, I have a cousin who after doing an vegetarian/alkaline diet completely reversed her blood clotting disorder in 3 months. She had a friend who was in end stage renal failure who went completely vegan and after a year is no longer in end stage renal failure. I have kidney disease and I am going to give this vegan thing a try. I have researched many studies in different countries like Italy who followed people for years after doing a vegetarian diet and the results are astounding. You have to do your own research its out there. You have to go outside America look at other countries and different cultures who eat plant based diets, they do not have the sicknesses that Americans do.
You may want to tune in to this Friday’s podcast with author, researcher and journalist Nina Teicholz (Episode 869). She looks at the studies in detail and explains scientifically why this documentary is mostly scaremongering and little actual science.
I watched it. Closest relative monkey, same teeth same digestive tract. Rhino, elephant, bison etc. All huge mammals, never eat meat. Undisputable facts. Seems pretty obvious to me. So yesterday I quit meat for 2 weeks to see how I feel. I’m still ok with meat on special occasions. Btw feeling better already, lungs not sticky this morning and that’s been a regular problem.
The naysayers are interesting people, for the most part. Lots of angry denials and assertions thrown to the wind. And “BS” is not an actual word. Anyway, all I know is what I feel. I’ve been on a whole food, plant based diet for a short time but already feel the positive effects. I’m 65 and have been concerned I’d never see 70 with the way I felt. Now, I think I can see a future. And I expect for this optimism to grow as my health continues to improve. Thank you to the makers of this film. After all, knowledge is power for the individual. And we are all free to use that knowledge to make our own choices and to respect those that choose differently. Choose well, my friends.
It was rubbish! No backup to any of the “facts” . Eat sugars and crabs and let’s see how long it will take you to get diabetes… choose well indeed.
Lies Lies!
We were never meant to be vegans. Although it is possible we are consuming too much animal protein (our bodies haven’t adapted for it, yet). The simple fact that a person would have to consume a Vitamin B supplement to be “healthy” while on a vegan diet is proof positive that a vegan diet is not correct for our physiology. More fruits and especially veggies is awesome. Less red meat is a plus, however, that being said it is important to recognize that we get important enzymes & substances from red meat which benefits our joints. The prevailing theory about our origins are that we would hunt and gather, eating meat sometimes, but most other times surviving on fruits, bark, nuts, and other plant based edibles. Take that to modern times, less meat, more fruits & veggies.
Well said. We watched it last night and we were certain at first they were joking. Still, we watched until the end, just to finally conclude that these guys are complete idiots, and quite honestly, dangerous. I understand the will to promote veganism, but to make up “facts” and tell people that sugars and carbs are good for you is absolutely outrageous. These guys should be help reasonable for anyone that will develop diabetes because they eat That! How can anyone say that eating one egg equals smoking 5 cigarettes??? Shocking!
The one point I agree with is that the farmers should improve the way they raise our food, and this is why we make an effort to buy from local farmers. Overall, we are very Disappointed at Netflix. Let them all become vegan. More meat, eggs and cheese for us!
Just like most documentaries it is mixed with truth and an admittedly biased agenda. However anybody that discounts this information is ill-informed at best add just plain ignorant at worst. If you know anything about the meat industry, you should realize that how they are raising these animals, by injecting them with growth hormones and antibiotics necessary because they’re not being fed a proper diet, how they’re callously caged in tiny cages their entire lives in order to take them to Market at astonishingly young ages far ahead of their natural age for marketing, then you will understand that there is a lot of truth in this documentary relative to what is wrong with the meat that we are eating. It’s way too much information to post on a short comment like this…. but do your research before you shoot your mouth off. Just because you want to defend the practice of over-indulging in meat doesn’t make it right, both for health and moral reasons.
Everyone is free to decide for themselves what to believe. If one wants to find out which method works better why not actually TRY IT? A month of what your normal diet and a month of being Vegan. Maybe you’ll have more energy than before. Maybe your blood sugar drop from critical levels. One things for sure, You’ll be visiting the toilet more often with the amount of fiber you consume. Point is, instead of listening and searching of who is right or wrong, just test it out for yourselves and see if it works for you. It can’t hurt to try, we all want wants best for our health.
Watched this documentary with my wife and son, who has down syndrome. We switched a month ago. What convinced me was the behavior of the organizations in the documentary that would not give this guy an interview and the one that did was obviously very upset at the questions asked on diet. We noticed a major difference after two weeks. My son’s behavior issues and asthma improved dramatically and he lost ten pounds. My wife has a strong family history of diabetes and both her grandmother and mother ate a healthy diet. Her mother really watched sugar levels and still got diabetes. My side has a history of cancer. If the world health organization classifies meat as a carcinogen and sugar reduction never helped my wife’s family avoid diabetes, then I think its worth a shot to try and attempt to avoid these two critical diseases.
You may want to listen to our podcast with author, researcher and journalist Nina Teicholz (Episode 869). She looks at the studies in detail and explains scientifically why this documentary is mostly scaremongering and little actual science. She also has written an extensive analysis of the science quoted in the movie. You may want to read that as well.
Here’s a sample:
“…The film makes 37 health claims, and for this review, I investigated every single one. (WTH also makes a myriad of claims about contaminants and issues of environmental impact, but these are outside my field of expertise, so I looked only at the claims on health.)…” – READ THE ARTICLE HERE
I worked for Jack La Lanne who went mainly vegan at some point in his life. He lived to be 97. All the negative about the film “What the Health” seems to by people who would rather die than give up eating animal flesh and their by products. The proof that a vegan diet is very healthy is supported by real studies not supported by the meat/dairy industries. Obesity is the major disease of the day, not genetics. Go vegan, lose the lbs and feel great.
You may want to consider the science that differs from your statements and assumptions. Realistically, my experience is that most zealots and fanatics are not interested in truth if it challenges their belief system. Anyway, thought I would at least offer these items that may be a good place to start. The first book is by a militant vegan…
The Vegetarian Myth: Food, Justice, and Sustainability
The Big Fat Surprise: Why Butter, Meat and Cheese Belong in a Healthy Diet
I will help your diet. Do not go 100% Vegan. You can eat
Scandanavian or Alaskan Salmon 2 times a week cooked or in Sushi form. Eat Organic egg whites anytime.
Incorporate Avocados into your diet. Eat Grass fed beef
2 times a month. Organic firm
Tofu 2-3 times a week. Try to eat Organic fruits, vegetables, sprouted bread, grains, and nuts. Your argument, its too expensive negative negative. stop making excuses and go to the Aldi Supermarket.
half the prices and many of the foods are now non-GMO and organic foods. Get rid of the corn oil and vegetable oils and substitute with avocado and California Ranch extra virgin oil. I cannot hold your hand you have to guide yourself as far as seasoning you can use sriracha sauce paprika onion powder garlic powder low sodium soy sauce and teriyaki sauce.
WHAt the HEALTH WAS terrible and a evil. DO NOT WATCH AND DO NOT SPREAD THE BS in this lie lie lie
Hi All, I might be green but I’ve recently seen the documentary and it seems quite convincing. However taking rationale as my guider I would like to try and falsify the documentary with science (and if I can’t it must be true). However when doing my own research the research I find is (mostly) in line with the documentary and the few that aren’t completely dont show negative effects for vegan diets, just no positive effects. Would any of you be able to show me some research (links) supporting the statements made by most in this tread? Would be a great help, thanks!
Rens, you may want to listen to our podcast with author, researcher and journalist Nina Teicholz (Episode 869). As I’ve mentioned to several other commenters, she looks at the studies in detail and explains scientifically why this documentary is mostly scaremongering and little actual science. She also has written an extensive analysis of the science quoted in the movie. You may want to read that as well.
Here’s a sample from her article:
“…The film makes 37 health claims, and for this review, I investigated every single one. (WTH also makes a myriad of claims about contaminants and issues of environmental impact, but these are outside my field of expertise, so I looked only at the claims on health.)…” – READ THE ARTICLE HERE
Where are your scientific studies?
you may want to listen to our podcast with author, researcher and journalist Nina Teicholz (Episode 869). As I’ve mentioned to several other commenters, she looks at the studies in detail and explains scientifically why this documentary is mostly scaremongering and little actual science. She also has written an extensive analysis of the science quoted in the movie. You may want to read that as well.
Here’s a sample from her article:
“…The film makes 37 health claims, and for this review, I investigated every single one. (WTH also makes a myriad of claims about contaminants and issues of environmental impact, but these are outside my field of expertise, so I looked only at the claims on health.)…” – READ THE ARTICLE HERE
Also have you ever been to a cancer society charity?
The China Study by T. Colin Campbell… READ THIS BOOK …. Anyone commenting here who wants to understand the link between diet and disease should take the time to read this book. This is not some random quick study done to create fear and incite an emotional response. It is a long term study like no other, real scientific data and collection of information that shows a major correlation between diet and disease. You can read the facts, look at the study results and make your own conclusion. Once you have read the book come back and comment…I bet a few more of you will lean toward a vegan lifestyle.
Not so fast… There is significant material showing that the China Study conclusions were not supported by the data in the study.
Read The Big Fat Surprise by Nina Teicholz to begin with.
Here’s more food for thought…
Rest in peace, China Study
The China Study Fallacy (And Why I Stopped Being a Vegetarian)
The China Study Revisited: New Analysis of Raw Data…
THE CHINA STUDY: FACT OR FALLACY?
The China Study Myth
Hmm. I need to see the research.
Many people on here seem to be prosyletizing sans facts to back it up.
I’m not into arguing with people over things. Everyone has free will to do what they want and believe what they want! But it boils down to the chemicals, antibiotics, hormones, disease, ect.. That these animals are full of that we as consumers don’t know about! Just because the FDA approves something doesn’t mean its good for you! The FDA approves Drugs that causes kidney failure , causes other life-threatening conditions and so on! The personal care products that everyone uses every single day are loaded with harmful chemicals that cause cancer and other problems but the FDA approves it! But they will not approve natural stuff that have been used for thousands of years in sustaining healthy and well lifestyles! Like Essential Oils! You don’t hear them saying good things or benefits of them that are great for you and your body because its dipping into their pockets! We live in a corrupt world and time where greed and money rule everything! Talk about brainwashed, the government has everyone brainwashed so they can make more money on poisoning us and more money on the drugs that cause more issues while masking symptoms and not hitting the root or cause of the problems!
Take off your blinders and see for yourself! Look up ingredients that you cannot pronounce and see the side effects! Its your life choose how you want to live but don’t hate the people that are trying to open your eyes to these problems! Don’t complain when you become the next casualty because you were too ignorant to listen to those who want to help and actually care!
Bottom line do your research and know what you are really putting in or on your bodies!!!
Actually thinner types can eat that way too. Ive seen thin/fit types eating big steaks eggs etc and ive seen bigger types eat salads fish fruit etc.
Also…this documentary was funded by PETA and the Animal Liberation Front, 2 misanthropic groups which use violence and fear mongering to further their causes. And one of the “doctors” is actully not a certified dietician he is a podiatrist. The best way of eating is Mediterranean style of eating, lots of fresh fruits and veg, seafood, poultry and less red meat , dairy and small amounts of sugar.
Wow! One thing I gained from these comments is that we, as a country, are woefully ignorant in terms of science. It’s no wonder the charlatans and snake oil salesmen are getting richer. People will believe absolutely anything if it agrees with their own theories.
I’d love to know if even one of the commenters here has ANY background in science (heck, if any even took a science class since high school I would be amazed). And most certainly no one knows one single thing about farming.
There are a few things you should consider. 1. Just from a logical standpoint, why would companies who need customers to make money be trying to kill off those same customers? 2. When you read about some shocking thing about food or medicine or farming, do you actually check the source? If a study was done, how large was it? Who did it? Is it peer reviewed? Do you know what the statistics they give actually mean? If you find something has been debunked by another study do you actually consider that? 3. When is the last time you actually talke to a real live farmer? So many of these stories of how mistreated and sick the animals are and how filthy the conditions they live in are simply cannot be substantiated.
So many want to believe that there is some great conspiracy and that hundreds of thousands of scientists and farmers and government officials have all joined together in this evil deed and that the truth is being kept secret. It just doesn’t even make any sense. But, hey, if being afraid of everything is your bag…go right ahead.
Loool this article is just too funny.
I haven’t seen the film by the way, I just saw this article and thought.. huhh?!?
Humans are supposed to be eating things that are naturally provided from the earth. That is all I’m saying.. yall know animals also have mothers n sisters and feelings like humans so why on earth, is it an argument whether meat is good for you or not?
By all means yall can eat meat but only from animals that are properly taken care of.
The animals should live and grow naturally -outside, that’s when it’s safe to eat. Not when the animals are being processed in factories like their objects.
Anyone who agrees with this article is a fool.